Why Linux will not displace Windows
You are kidding arent you ?Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?
That sounds preposterous to me.
If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.
Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.
Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.
I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:49 am
Your a noob.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:48 am
Hi,
I think you need to understand what Linux is, and what Windows is, before you write posts like the above. I suggest you try installing Ubuntu linux.
Linux does not depend on Windows to run, and runs directly on top of computer hardware, even platforms not supported by Windows. It has its own way of supporting devices and running services, which are different, and generally technically better than their counterparts on Windows. Hence the number of Linux servers in use around the world.
Linux does not depend on copies of Windows XP or any other OS. There are no licensing fees or any other costs associated, except for the cost of a blank CD if you make an image. I think Ubuntu will actually mail you a CD for free if you request it.
Linux has been in development for at least 10-15 years by now. So, it has actually been developed for a long time. Considering the number of people that have contributed, the total value may be measured in the billions of dollars.
Running a computer from start to finish is not actually as complicated as you make out to be. There are very simple OSs around which fit within a few thousand lines of code, which provide some basic boot and interactive services for a computer.
You probably need to spend more time researching OS/2 before you talk about that. Actually, if I remember anything at all, it was that MS and IBM were developing OS/2 together, and MS boned IBM.
P.S. Mac OS X does not have anything to do with Windows either. Just because it runs on Intel does not have any relation to Windows at all. However, you can run Windows inside Mac OS X as a guest operating system if you need to.
In the future, I’d recommend you carefully consider what you discuss when you post publicly. It is obvious you have not researched the topics you are discussing. They are full of your own opinions, which while clearly incorrect to anyone has at least some technical knowledge of computers. It would be a shame if your posts were interpreted as fact by someone without the knowledge to see otherwise.
Kind Regards,
Samuel
January 21st, 2008 at 7:53 am
No he’s right, how in the world could you run an operating system that reads memories and shows stuff on screen without paying $9Bn for it - the whole idea of it is preposterous - take that Linux stuff off before you get sued for stealing windows
January 21st, 2008 at 9:02 am
you people should try linux before you bad mouth it, its actually quite a nice operating system. its probably the best operating system for any software developers, and the fact that they have the repository for all your program updates and to get new programs is just awesome.
i actually wouldn’t be surprised if microsoft used linux to develop windows
January 21st, 2008 at 9:24 am
My word. Are you being serious? My friend, you seriously need to educate yourself before posting things like this. I haven’t had this much of a laugh in ages! Your comments are pure comedy! Either you are serious, and completely misinformed at the same time, or this is one huge joke!
Get a life. Get an education.
Regards,
Sean
January 21st, 2008 at 9:31 am
Hey, i wanted to post here before it gets filled up by 21034092385 posts of people making fun of you and saying “i like cheese” and things like that.
Jerry, now that you have become aware of “the internet,” i want you to know that it is merciless. This is a good thing though because it is a way for everyone to expose self proclaimed “net gurus” like yourself for what they truly are. You should be happy that people like you aren’t just listened to without a second thought. I suggest getting a new website……
January 21st, 2008 at 9:36 am
Dude… DUDE.. ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK?!?!?
January 21st, 2008 at 9:41 am
Please, for humanity’s sake. Never breed.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:04 am
Originally appeared here:
http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579806&start=43
Reposted here as someone else…
http://tuxv.blogspot.com/2007/04/bad-vista.html
January 21st, 2008 at 10:08 am
Sean pretty much summed it up for me.
You need BIOS and boot systems. But not Windows itself. Part of installing Linux, just like any other OS, if you’re not doing a dual-boot system, is to format the hdd - that means removing EVERYTHING - that includes Windows
Sorry guy.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:11 am
I thought I would give you a few seconds of my life to say HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Lmao!
Thank you! You made my day =)
January 21st, 2008 at 11:21 am
Congratulations, you’ve just made yourself a laughing stock, you made the digg front page with 2553 diggs and counting:
http://digg.com/linux_unix/User_does_not_believe_Linux_can_run_without_Windows
I personally came to laugh, I’m pretty sure the spike in hits you’re getting is other people coming to laugh too.
Though just for the record, you can run Linux on your PC without Windows, the simplest way to do this is with Ubuntu (www.ubuntu.com) or Damn Small Linux (http://damnsmalllinux.org) you can run DSL from a USB stick, you don’t even need a hard drive.
Oh, and as of the “Leopard” release of OSX, Apple’s OS is a POSIX certified UNIX variant, largely derived from FreeBSD. Yes it runs on Intel hardware, but it also runs in IBM Power PC hardware. Microsoft Office and Microsoft Windows are two completely separate things.
Building a complete Operating system is not that difficult, if you want to do the same you should read the book by Andrew Tannenbaum:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_S._Tanenbaum
The inventor of Minix, and the same man who argue with Linus Torvalds about the best way to design an OS during the early days of Linux.
Thank you, reading that was very amusing.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:24 am
Hilarious !
Just wake up… I don’t know… Stop IT…
Either you’re serious and you’re a noob, either you want to promote your blog with a nice troll…
January 21st, 2008 at 11:48 am
You sir, are a peice of shit. No no, my bad, a peice of MISINFORMED shit.
As said before, Get a life. Get an education
Regards,
cSc
January 21st, 2008 at 11:57 am
Your idiocy has earned you world fame.
http://digg.com/linux_unix/User_does_not_believe_Linux_can_run_without_Windows
The world now knows you as the culprit to this one event of pure singular stupidity.
January 21st, 2008 at 1:40 pm
By the way, Linux is virtually dead, *BSD will rox the world…
January 21st, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Smile, you’re on reddit now!
http://programming.reddit.com/info/663tv/comments/
January 21st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
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January 21st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I can’t tell if this guy is being facetious, or he just has no idea what he’s talking about. I mean… I have written fully functional operating systems (by my standards) for x86. Anyone who knows assembly can write a bootstrapper. Hell, lazy kids these days probably even use C for that. It’s only a matter of time before M$ gets Intel to microcode MSIL and they’ll be able to strap with .NET. Heh, I’m only half joking.
January 21st, 2008 at 3:05 pm
I am sure he is speaking about OpenOffice
January 21st, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Good stuff, keep em coming.
These truly are a Guru’s gems!
January 21st, 2008 at 5:27 pm
This is funny stuff!
You have to come clean, is this a hoax or are you really this stupid?
January 21st, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Man, sure is a great way to start the day - LAUGHING !!
Original comments have got to be a roos.
I personally run LINUX in more than one incantation and it’s ALL FREE.
I admit that I do too run M$ systems (98, XP, Vista) along with OSX just to keep in tune - In fact I now run XPpro & OSX within a Virtual Machine under LINUX - no more rebooting to swop OPS.
Good laugh anyway - Thanks.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm
You, sir, are a fu#$ing retard.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Oh, did I forget to mention, you are the representation of the most retarded human alive.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Congratulation, you’ve reached level 42. You are now another legendary urban internet asshole heroes.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:07 pm
I really hope you are joking. I hope this is all fake and that you couldn’t possible be that stupid.
“# jscinoz Says:
January 21st, 2008 at 9:41 am
Please, for humanity’s sake. Never breed.”
January 21st, 2008 at 11:48 pm
just….. wow……
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:17 am
i lol’d
This is why the internet can’t have nice things.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:05 am
stupid and ignorant person…
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:21 am
The name “Linux” comes from the Linux kernel, started in 1991 by Linus Torvalds. The system’s utilities and libraries come from the GNU operating system, started in 1983 by Richard Stallman. The GNU contribution is the reason for the alternative name GNU/Linux.
Microsoft Windows is the name of several families of software operating systems by Microsoft. Microsoft first introduced an operating environment named Windows in November 1985 as an add-on to MS-DOS in response to the growing interest in graphical user interfaces (GUIs).
Source:
http://www.wikipedia.org
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:29 pm
It’s just a matter of time and you will be worlds famoust retard.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Are you for real dude, Have you looked around lately lol Linux does run the compter/pc from start to finsh. What kinda drugs are you on? I want some.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:37 am
windows isnt needed for computers
i uninstalled my windows as i didnt use it hardly ever just office and so now my computer is just office and the internet and cos thats all i use except for some sound sometimes
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:02 am
dave london must be from the same family as this guy to make a comment as stupid as the original idiotic attempt of a statement.
SUGGESTION: Both of you, sell your computers and go do some physical occupation under full supervision to ensure you don’t hurt yourselves.
January 23rd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Judging by the number of posts on this, I believe he IS the world’s most famous retard. Though, seriously, LOL!
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm
i hope you crawl under sumthin and die.
LINUX FTW!!!!!!!!!!!
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm
… and the Sun revolves around the Earth!
January 23rd, 2008 at 2:50 pm
One word: BWAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Rather then laughing at the gentleman, take the time to explain that linux is an alternative to XP or Vista. That linux is an operating system that has it’s own windows interface. That it does not at all rely on any Microsoft product.
That gentlemen may be in a profession that does not require the use of computers, and perhaps his knowledge, from his peers is such that he was led astray.
Do not redicule him. There are many skills where computers are not really known so that his knowledge is self learned. I am thinking of sailors, or fishers as examples.
Leslie
Canada
January 24th, 2008 at 4:49 am
Self proclaimed net guru
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That’s enough .. Bye-bye
January 24th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
‘Jerry, now that you have become aware of “the internet,” i want you to know that it is merciless.’
Yes indeed. I think you’ll find that the merciless one here is ‘Jerry Lee Cooper’.
January 27th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
LMAO…
“I paid billions to make my product, my product is the more expensive, so my product is the best.”
Fake ? => Good job.
Or not ? => http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
January 28th, 2008 at 4:11 am
oy, who dried up the gene pool while i wasn’t looking?
January 28th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
> Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.
Especially on PowerPC (old non-Intel Macs), where you can run either MacOS or Linux but cannot run Windows
January 31st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Wow, the Linux communists are very hypocritical. If the Linux communists actually read the article, they would know that the Linux needs background Windows services. Windows created the critical components which allow the Linux to talk to the hardware, and you can see this when the computer loads the hardware. Without Windows, your the Linux could not run.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:37 am
all u jerry haterz are jus jelus! leave jerry alone!!!!!!!!
oh, btw, i don’t like cheez, i lovz cheez!
:] 
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Seriously, I must know: is this satire or for real?
@Charles Xavier: you can’t trust everything you read on the internet. Old unix OSes worked in the 70s long before Windows or MS-DOS even started. And if Windows did create all of those drivers, how were they installed on my PC without a Windows CD or any Windows data ever coming near it?
February 4th, 2008 at 7:55 am
To ryan: You still don’t understand. Clearly the unix OS worked, but it is only software and required Windows to be able to talk to the hardware. It is understandable that you did not know, as it is not easily visible. The Windows hardware came far before Windows Graphical OS.
February 4th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Paynis
February 4th, 2008 at 10:34 am
To Charles Xavier:
Thanks for telling us about it, we(at least I) didn’t know that before.
I once heard that there’s some chip on computer green panel, which contains program to start the PC up, is that one M$ Windows and driver chip?
Linux is so bad.. I once tried to create this spreadsheet, but it only spreaded sh*t :< Silly people ripped M$ products and now they’re giving it away for FREE! That’s piracy in its worst glory!
I know a lot now, maybe I should make my own blog which contains information about Linux problems and the trouble I had with creating spreadsheets in Linux.
February 4th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Windows is software, not hardware. Hardware is the electrical components in the computer like the motherboard, CPU, memory, storage, expansion cards. Software (like Windows, BSD, Linux, and OS/2 and any applications) are the programs that are executed.
A computer boots like so:
1) Power on, BIOS is executed
2) BIOS searches for boot devices, finds one
3) BIOS loads the boot sector into memory, executes the program within (bootloader)
4) The bootloader usually loads a second stage of itself, because the boot sector is far too small to hold a modern bootloader. It then finds a kernel, which it loads into memory and executes.
5) The kernel loads drivers for the hardware that is in the computer, mounts any necessary filesystems in the storage, and starts any necessary services or applications.
The BIOS is not part of Windows, it is made by the motherboard manufacturer and is payed for as part of the motherboard.
After that, the boot loader is executed, which is not a part of Windows either. Windows has a boot loader, called NTLDR. GNU/Linux uses GNU GRUB, a piece of free software made by the GNU project.
After that, the kernel is loaded. This is not part of Windows either. Windows has a kernel, called NT6 or something. Linux is the kernel of the GNU/Linux Operating system.
Then the kernel loads drivers. These are not Windows either. Windows has lots of drivers, as does Linux and any other operating system.
Then the kernel starts the services and applications that are necessary. These are also not Windows. Windows has services and applications. In linux, a program called init (not part of Windows in any way) starts all sorts of services, then BASH is started as a user interface. Often a GUI is started as well as BASH. None of these are in any way a part of Windows.
So, therefore, no part of Windows is started or used in booting Linux or any other operating system besides Windows.
February 5th, 2008 at 10:01 am
Look, I will explain it simple for you. The Linux is software. The Linux needs something else to talk with the hardware. Windows can run a computer from start to finish, so Windows can talk with the hardware. Therefore the Linux requires Windows to talk with the hardware. Of course, it is more complicated than this, as you showed, but this is the main idea behind how the Linux runs.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Charles, I have realized you are being entirely facetious. To anyone taking him serious, no one could think that linux replaces important files with communist propagands (as he stated in another comment).
Regardless, anyone who believes what Charles is saying is idiotic. Windows is just software as well. It communicates with the hardware itself. As does Linux. An OS is composed of a kernel, libraries and applications.
The kernel communicates directly with the hardware and controls it. Windows has a kernel. Linux is the kernel of the GNU/Linux operating system.
Windows has libraries, they are the .dll files in the \\Windows\system and \\Windows\system32 directories. GNU/Linux has them as well. They are the .so and .a files in /usr/lib /lib and any other lib directories.
Windows has applications, such as MS explorer, IE, notepad, etc. GNU/Linux has applications, such as bash, nano, X11, and grep.
Get it? Windows is software, Linux is software. Motherboards, processors, network cards, and memory are hardware. Linux communicates directly with the hardware. Windows does as well. They do not depend on each other, they are entirely separate.
Furthermore, I hate people calling Linux Marxist or Communist. I am a capitalist libertarian and I use Linux. It has no political ideology. Just because it is free doesn’t make it Communist or Marxist. People chose to create it for free, no one was forced to. Linux is not communist, marxist, or at all political.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Download an ubuntu 7.10 “Gutsy gibbon” live-cd iso
Put it on a CD
Type
C:> format c:
Restart your computer with the CD inside…
install the OS (yes Ubuntu is a Linux OS !) It will take you less than 40 minutes…
Count the viruses you’ll get for a determinated period
If you need somme specific windows applications, use “Wine”.
And tell us about it…
hAvE a GoOd NiGhT…
February 7th, 2008 at 7:22 am
So now we got a name for this article…
Charles Xavier?
February 7th, 2008 at 7:25 am
The Linux needs something else to talk with the hardware.
It’s called alcohol. Without drinking, Linux cannot talk properly to the hardware.
It’s a know issue in the Linux community but since you found out, blow it, why everybody else should know.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Of course the Lynx will not displace the Windows because it has less than 0% marketshare! The only possible operating system to displace the Windows is the divine Jesus Phone and Mac OS X
February 13th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
dude I, for one can see behind the lines and understand that this thing is fake. There is just no way in hell that anybody who can actually find the keys on the keyboard ( you do know what that is, don’t you?) to type linux can ever be that stupid. And if by some impossible odd you are actually serious, than your name should most certainly be considered as the perfect definition to the words:
(brainless, dense, doltish, dopey, dorky [slang], dull, dumb, fatuous, half-witted, mindless, oafish, obtuse, senseless, simple, slow, thick, thickheaded, unintelligent, vacuous, weak-minded, witless, feebleminded, retarded, simpleminded; foolish, idiotic, imbecile, imbecilic, moronic; ignorant, illiterate, lowbrow, uneducated, uninformed, untaught, unthinking; absurd, asinine, balmy, cockeyed, crazy, cuckoo, daffy, daft, dotty, harebrained, insane, kooky, loony (also looney), lunatic, mad, nonsensical, nutty, preposterous, sappy, screwball, silly, unwise, wacky, zany; fallacious, illogical, invalid, irrational, blockhead, cretin, dodo, dolt, donkey, dope, dork [slang], dumbbell, dummy, dunce, fathead, goon, half-wit, ignoramus, imbecile, jackass, knothead, moron, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, numskull (or numbskull), pinhead)
February 20th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
u can not compare windows with linux.
they are for two different things.
windows’ main purpose is to help the point and click crowd be productive, while linux is for the crufty hackers to be productive.
so using linux as a replacement for windows will be fraught with frustration especially with non-programmers.
plus, the “game machine” linx distro isn’t happening cos of hardware issues, both license and software related.
February 24th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Quoting Steve: “plus, the “game machine” linx distro isn’t happening cos of hardware issues, both license and software related.”
Must be why I didn’t buy game since such a long long time. Good enough I’m still buying DVD’s but I already forgot about Blue-Ray (DRM).
February 26th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Quoting Oliver: “Must be why I didn’t buy game since such a long long time.”
thats your problem hacker
February 27th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
A few things:
Linux can run perfectly without Windows underneath it.
Dell sells computers with Ubuntu.
Reasonable Linux alternatives don’t “snap into existence.”
By the last couple of sentences in your post it appears like you have never even tried Linux (but, I’m sure you have). I have been Windows free for years and am perfectly happy with Ubuntu.
March 8th, 2008 at 8:54 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FOR 63 REASONS. GOLD.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
What others said.
I suggest you have a look at this:
http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/
LMAO at your post, Jerry rat.
March 30th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
You are possibly the most uneducated idiot I have ever had the displeasure of reading…You obviously have absolutely no idea what it takes to run a computer. It’s people like you that make it even easier for Linux to gather a strong foothold. The Linux world can simply exploit your stupidity show how uneducated the ©Windows user is…
April 14th, 2008 at 3:48 am
wow….so now do you regret writing this post?…. or you still think Linux can’t run without Windows drivers?…..or you’re just trying to troll?